Still struggling
I realize I'm going to sound like a broken record here on my blog if I keep writing about this, but I am still at a loss about what to do with how I feel about a situation. Sit back, have a cuppa (because I suspect this will be loooooooooonnnnnnnnngggggg) and then feel free to dispense with advice.

There are very few people who affect me in such a way that I completely shut down in their presence. In fact, I can only think of two people; one has been in my life since I was born, and the other is someone in my life because of her relationship with my sweet husband.

When I shut down, I'm nearly unrecognizable. I learned early in childhood how to shut off feeling anything when a situation called for it. I am practically a robot, and am certainly distant and cold. That side of me is so far removed from who I really am.

Back in May, I posted an excerpt from Cherie Carter-Scott's book 'If Life Is A Game, These Are The Rules'. I printed the 10 rules out, and keep it handy so I can refer to it when I'm faced with something particularly challenging. I wholeheartedly believe in the message.

Rule four is the one that screams out at me when I'm thinking of how these two people affect me.

The lesson is repeated until learned. Lessons repeat until learned. What manifest as problems and challenges, irritations and frustrations are more lessons - they will repeat until you see them as such and learn from them. Your own awareness and your ability to change are requisites of executing this rule. Also fundamental is the acceptance that you are not a victim of fate or circumstance - 'causality' must be acknowledged; that is to say: things happen to you because of how you are and what you do. To blame anyone or anything else for your misfortunes is an escape and a denial; you yourself are responsible for you, and what happens to you. Patience is required - change doesn't happen overnight, so give change time to happen.

There is a common denominator between the two people in that they're both master manipulators. I'll be the first one to raise my hand and admit that I'm highly sensitive when I feel that someone is trying to manipulate me. Perhaps it's because I grew up with it all my life and I recognize it as soon as it manifests.

When it comes to fight or flight, I take on wings and fly out of a situation as quickly as possible. This is why I do not have any manipulative friends. Once I feel any sort of manipulation from someone, I quickly remove them from my life. I used to let situations drag on and on, with many warnings, but I've learned that manipulators are generally unable (unwilling?) to change.

But family? I simply can't do it.

It occurred to me two nights ago that I will never be able to look forward to a holiday as long as I know these two people will be involved in any way. When I know I'm going to have to spend time with either of these two people, I start dreading and focusing on it for several days prior to the actual visit. I feel on edge every waking moment.

I have started hosting all family holidays at our home and was so excited to find out that my brother will be coming to my home this year for Thanksgiving. I adore my brother and was practically giddy at the thought of seeing him. But then I remembered that the other person who affects me so horribly will also be there because she's part of my husband's family. That's all I can focus on right now and it makes me angry.

If my sister comes, then all of my favorite people (except BJ's mom, whom I miss terribly) will be there. My boys, my sister, my brother and my husband. Nothing could make me happier than to be with my little family.

But then there's the interloper. I feel horrible calling her that, but it's a fact. She creates drama and feelings of ill will where ever she goes. I honestly believe she's a sociopath.

BJ doesn't even like her, but feels obligated to continue a relationship with her even though the tie they once had to each other, his father, is now gone. He feels that he needs to continue to be family to her because it's his way of honoring his dad. I would agree wholeheartedly if she wasn't such a thorn and wasn't continually doing the spiteful and manipulative things she's always done.

I am not and will not ask BJ to choose between us. I know he'd choose me, that's not in question. I do not want him to have to choose between me and the obligation he feels toward his dad. His dad was his hero. I understand why he wants to honor his dad, and this is what makes this entire situation so hard for me. I've tried to be supportive in this and have tried to not put BJ in the middle, but I was finally completely honest with him two nights ago.

I shared with him that I've tried really REALLY hard to put her on 'ignore' like he's able to do, but I can't. I understand that a person who some would consider only to be an annoyance is affecting me way too much because of my history. I don't want to be affected like this, but I can't make it go away. I told him that it makes me really sad to think that as long as she's a part of our lives I'll never truly enjoy a holiday again because she'll be there. Instead of laughing and loving my family, I'll be shutting down.

After sharing all of that, I wanted to stuff it all right back where it was because he said that he feels that I'm making him choose between my happiness and his obligation. I suppose in a way, he is making a choice and I know it's only because he couldn't possibly understand the depth of how this makes me feel. Nobody really could, except someone who knows my entire history. He's not privy to that information right now. Nobody really is.

I know that this lesson is something I'll have to repeat OVER and OVER and OVER until I learn how to deal with it. I *believe* that if I was able to be honest with these two people and tell them that I feel manipulated by them and that I'm on to the fact that they try to use guilt to control me and everyone else around them, that I'd not shut down anymore. I *believe* that I'm shutting down because I fear the anger that is welled up deep inside and I fear what I will say. Even if honest and true, it will be hurtful and I can't bring myself to hurt people. I cannot even *gently* confront her without becoming the mean person who is being hateful to a woman that lost her husband and got breast cancer all in the same year and now she wants to take the only family she has away from her.

Deep breath....

I tried once approaching a topic with her in such a way that it barely scratched the surface of what I feel about her behavior right after my husband lost his dad. She was saying things to him like, "your (dead) dad will kick your @$$ if you don't take care of me.." among other things. I gently asked her to allow my husband a little breathing room so he could deal with his own grief. She turned it around and made it into a drama of epic proportions, saying that I was a 'mean' person who was trying to break up her relationship with my husband. The thing that she doesn't understand is that I used to be the one who forced him to go see her and I played interference whenever she'd get into her verbal bashing. I've mentioned before that she has a long history of doing things to try to break my husband up with whatever woman is in his life, so I know that she's projecting.

I can't *not* invite her to holiday gatherings as long as BJ feels this obligation. I'm his wife and I need to support him in doing what he feels he needs to do- honor his dad. If I go to my parent's house for holidays, yes, I'd avoid having to be with her but it'll be the same thing- just a different person and different manipulative behavior.

I know that if she were gone, someone else will come along to continue this lesson I seem to desperately need to learn. I really do know what I need to do but my husband does not want me to be honest with her because he says it will make it worse. From where I stand that's the only way I'm going to be able to put this lesson to bed.

I feel so trapped.....

RisibleGirl was blabbing on about another adventure on 11/20 at 10:10 AM

Go visit Einstein's blog!

  

Avatar for Jay B
Jay B wrote:

Mom, you want my advice? Ignore her. It sounds simple and it may be hard for me to recommend that without being in your shoes first, but considering it will help your husband out by not being totally honest with her, the only thing you can do is shield yourself from her and only indulge yourself in the rest of the family's company.

Be cordial and all that jazz but let the relationship end there. There's no sense in worrying about something you can't change because you can't change it. There's also no sense in worrying about something you can change because if you haven't changed it yet, then you're just lazy. In this case it's something you can't change without causing some level of detriment to your husband.

I know within my own family with a certain few extended family members there is some animosity towards my own mother. Rather than confront my mom and cause a rift between anyone she remains cordial and hopes the best for these people. In the end she's comfortable and there isn't any long term damage to any of the relationships that would have otherwise been ok.

I hope I didn't ramble uncontrollably about this and that the advice is of some help. If not, then just throw it out the window and forget I said anything. If you need cheering up I'll just put some thumbtacks on Dustin's floor and make a video of him stepping on the to cheer you up. I hope you have a good week this week.


  

Avatar for Stew
Stew wrote:

I know that all these people will give you advice. But that isn't going to help.

Instead, I recommend you tie her to a slowly lowing metal thing over a pool of sharks. With laser beams attached to their forheads.

Just make sure she has no toothpaste or dental floss.

Good luck with it.


  

kalliope72 wrote:

Just sending you comforting hugs. I have similar issues with my mum and I also have yet to determine how to address it and ensure the least fallout. I considered a letter, rather than a conversation, but I'm not there yet.

Maybe the solution hasn't presented itself to you yet because YOU are not supposed to 'fix' things. Maybe the lesson is to trust that the answer will come when you're ready for it, not by you forcing yourself to find it.

And I should take my own advice. wink

I don't envy the position you're in, but I do believe you'll walk through it just fine.


Love ya lady. xx


  

k1 wrote:

Hmm. Perhaps Hubby has an obligation to you to be stronger to her. Sounds like she's using her misfortunes to promote the "poor me " syndrome.
That's a pretty severe statement she made to your hubby.
One could turn this adversity into a humorous point with hubby. "Did you hear what "what's-her-face said to whomever? Amazing, huh?"
De-emphasize the importance you are assigning to her. It's definetly Hubby's obligation to be a man, stand up, and put her in her place out of respect to you and all that is right.

Fact is, she is wrong in her assessment that Hubby is responsible for her. Using dear ol' dad as a weapon now that he is passed.

Addressing this issue with hubby isn't giving him an "ultimatum," It is being honest with him... and is his responsibility to address it with her.

Simply give her a rather indifferent acknowledgement. Just say "hmmm" to anything she says. She's obviously trying to be intrusive. So she deserves whatever she gets.

In the meantime, buy her 3 sessions to the psychiatric ward for Christmas.

Stay bigger minded than she is. Don't let her become an obsession. That would be small mindedness.

She's just somebody with a waco problem.

And, of course, you know, within you you carry the hearts of many (sigh). I'm reminded of that every time your picture comes up on my screensaver.

Every now and then, someone standing in the engineering shop will go "Wow!" To which I say, "Ya, I know... she's my cousin." To which one said, "bummer."

Umm... It's the way these animals think.

They say guys think of sex 20% of the time, the rest of the time is filled with absolutely nothing.
B.


  

Kat wrote:

Sometimes these people are only to be tolerated. My in-laws are full of this type of personality - manipulative, filled with noise, drama, misunderstandings (sadly, they're all on the Autism spectrum). It's so bad that I'm actually having surgery on Weds (minor stuff) to avoid the whole fam-damily Turkey dinner. (Plus MIL is a lousy cook).

There are a few things you can do - with practice. One, practice saying nice things while the snark reel runs at top speed in your head. For instance, "It's nice to see you" -- cut to snark reel <<you sanctimonious biznatch!>>. Or "Would you like to sit here for dinner", snark reel <<and let me poison your dinner?!>> It's a tiny way to keep sane. It helps. It's not nice, but it keeps you from going over the edge. Or shutting down. And your snark reel gets quite good once you let it have free reign.

You can cut her off at the knees and say to her quietly, I need to speak to you in (another room). Then let her have it - and tell her if she insists on causing a scene, she is in YOUR home and you will have her removed. Yes, it will cause problems for your husband. (although he also needs to be in on this and draw that line in the sand) But she needs to know where the line is drawn, because she is playing by her rules and expects you all to cow-tow to her wants and whims.

I'd warn some of your closer family members that this is the year you're going postal on her, so you may need some support and a glass of wine ready for you. They'll be there for you!

There's a great chapter in The Artist's Way by Julia Cameron, about Crazymakers. She's one. It has great steps on dealing with her. You might want to pick up a copy at your library. Boundaries is another good one - by Cloud and Townsend. Very Christian bent, but it has excellent information in it.

Good luck! And Happy Thanksgiving. Don't let the biggest turkey get you down.


  

ComfortAddict wrote:

I'm so sorry to hear this news, RG. The woman is definitely a sociopath. When people like this are family, they're even harder to deal with because you can't get away from them.

I probably can't give you any advice you haven't already considered for yourself. Nevertheless, were I in your shoes, I would try to keep the following in mind:

1) Don't play her game. Sociopaths thrive on winning and conquest and they are especially hard on anyone they perceive as a threat. Don't respond when she goads you.

2) Remember that you are a good, effective person worthy of respect. Do things and review things that remind you how accomplished and special you are.

3) Give yourself presents. Especially if you know that you are going to see her, make sure that you buffer the visit with lots of pleasant experiences (friends, family, things you enjoy).

I hope that this helps even a little. Feel free to write anytime for support.


  

truthgirl wrote:

I don't know who you are or when you wrote this, but man oh man I know how you feel. Manipulative personalites are or shall I say "were" a reacurring theme in my life. In fact the pattern was so strong starting from family and eventually to friends in my adult life that I suffered a depression that lasted for 3 years. Then the pattern continued after my recovery only this time with blinding cruelty. Ive noticed with all manipulative people one thing is very clear, they are all weak and afraid, they may be glamorous and beautiful, but spiritually retarded and mentally stunted. Ask yourself "What is the universe trying to teach me?". Ive learned you must take responsibility for the fact that you yourself allow these negative forces to steamroll you, so you have the power to stop them, tell yourself in your mind that they (the manipulative people) are insignificant in the world, they dont even exist to you. Cosmically the message of you telling yourself that will reach them, and stop them in theyre tracks. Cut them out of your heart forever, that is if you love yourself enough. Its harder with family, but if you don't love yourself first by caring more about what the MANIPULATORS WILL SAY TOO OTHERS ABOUT YOU , you'll never be free to learn why this is still in your life. The Universe is telling you that you must love yourself more, and until you do, manipulators will always have you running scared along a path of eggshells.


Name:

Email (your email address will never show on this site):

Location:

URL:

If you'd like to be a member (no, you won't get spammed- you'll just get a cool avatar!), scroll down to the bottom right of the page and click on "register"

Smileys

Remember my personal information

Notify me of follow-up comments?

Submit the word you see below:


Next entry: More.... But this time a little more positive

Previous entry: I'm a movie star!


In case you're wondering....
On this day clear back in 2008 I wrote: Hair holes
On this day clear back in 2007 I wrote: And in my spare time…..
On this day clear back in 2006 I wrote: Dad, you’re not helping the situation…
On this day clear back in 2006 I wrote: Saturday night? A nightmare!
On this day clear back in 2005 I wrote: You got here how?
On this day clear back in 2005 I wrote: Another me-me

<< Back to main