More…. But this time a little more positive
Thanks everyone for your thoughts and support on the issue I posted yesterday. I did a lot of reading yesterday and a lot of thinking today because I feel that it's my job in this life to grow and learn. As I stated in that post, this is CLEARLY a learning opportunity for me and I'll be darned if I'm going to go to graduate school.

Special thanks to Kat for mentioning Crazymakers in Julia Cameron's book, "The Artist's Way". I will purchase the book because I can see many uses for reading it beyond this particular issue.

Here are some things I've found about "Crazymakers" that I particularly related to:

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Crazymakers–
  • break deals and destroy schedules

  • expect special treatment

  • discount your reality

  • triangulate those they deal with (create drama, pit against each other)

  • are expert blamers

  • create dramas–seldom where they belong

  • hate schedules

  • hate order

  • don’t care about what is going on with YOU. It’s all ME ME ME

  • make dramatic entrances

  • are manipulators

  • make sure your sense of well being is snuffed before it ever gets going

  • might change what's working to a plan that doesn't work just to have a feeling of power over you

  • deny they are crazy makers [this is VERY important for me to understand. There will never be any ownership]

  • are out of control, long on problems, short on solutions. They are a mess

  • want attention, they like thriving on drama, and they want help with those problems, but they never listen to you [Boy, did I relate to this. I'm still trying to learn this one...]

  • are always in one crisis or another

  • are grounded in personal power, disrupting your life to gain that power, while you want to relate as equals, trying to make things better

  • are creators of storm centers. Creating a storm center is the opposite of spiritual power. Authentic, spiritual power invites love and loyalty, cooperation, consistency, clarity and peace into every situation. It's core is not confusion but tranquility. [Yes! Yes! Yes!!!]

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Holy Cow! I think this author has been a fly on the wall and it makes me feel a little less isolated in this problem to read all of this. Apparently there are a lot of crazymakers in the world. I should count myself lucky that I'm only permanently attached to two of them. Of course, I've been around many of them, but I cut myself loose at the earliest opportunity.

In reading and pondering last night, I think *most* of my stress comes from worrying about what other people think because using self care and being protective of my husband could be construed as unwilling to be supportive if all the facts are not known. She has pitted family members against each other and I worry about what she's saying about me. Why worry about something that I cannot control?

Maybe my lesson in this is that I need to quit caring what other people think. I know that this has always been a huge issue for me because I have "good girl" syndrome. Dr. Phil has a statement that I should just go ahead and tattoo on my forehead; "what other people think about me is not any of my business".

My plan:

  • I shall continue being civil to her, and will not confront her. Confronting would do absolutely no good because she will never own her behavior.

  • When she says something offensive, I will continue to say to her "What was the intent behind that statement?" And then I'll be silent.

  • When she says something off the wall, I'll just say, "hmmmmmmm". And then I'll be silent.

  • When she tells me she needs help, I will remember that she never accepts help that I offer. And then I will stop feeling guilty that I am not helpful.

  • When I start to obsess about this, I will gently remind myself that there are other people more in need of my thoughts and energy. And then I'll think about that other person and send my energy their way.

Finally, I shall tie her to a slowly lowering metal thing over a pool of sharks with laser beams attached to their foreheads.

RisibleGirl was blabbing on about another adventure on 11/21 at 05:00 PM

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poopie wrote:

Poopie thinks Dr. Phil would be proud. He might even book us as poster girls!


  

Stew wrote:

WWwwwwwaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

No sharks with laser beams attached to their frickin' forheads

Wwwwwwwwwwwwaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!!!


  

Muzik wrote:

I am NOT a crazymaker...I am NOT a crazymaker


  

Phyllis wrote:

I read this and your previous post and I can say wholeheartedly that you are on the right track. The 'crazymaker' list describes a former co-worker who became absolutely stymied when I began dealing with her in much the same way as your plan. I also look at it like this--her behavior tells us almost everything we need to know about her, and practically nothing we need to know about you.


  

KathyHowe wrote:

Another book you might want to look at is: The Art of Living: The Classical Manual on Virtue, Happiness & Effectiveness by Epictetus, translated by Sharon Lebell. One of my favorite quotes:

"Never depend on the admiration of others. There is no strength in it. Personal merit cannot be derived from an external source."


  

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FTS wrote:

I'm getting caught up here after a day off...

"Maybe my lesson in this is that I need to quit caring what other people think."

I think that sums it all up right there. We can't change others; we can only change ourselves.

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FTS
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Angela wrote:

I think you are absolutely on the right path here. As satisfiying as it may be for some people to be confrontational, I think in a situation like this one it would not only not be helpful but also probably make the situation worse!! I think your plan of civility and especially "What was the intent behind that statement" (LOVE that!) are perfect. Also, I know it's hard for you, but please try not to let her get you down. The way I always think about it is that if these people can affect my attitude and my experience that negatively then they have won and have achieved their goal of bringing me down to their level of miserableness. Don't let 'em get you down!!


  

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Miss Ann Thrope wrote:

I think I failed that test at the top. Can I have a do over seeing as how the dog ate my homework?


  

Stew wrote:

I did read to the bottom, I swear that wasn't there!

Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhh


  

Sophmom wrote:

I *think* this is my first visit. I've read down a few posts and this is a beautifu blog. Clearly, you are dealing with some really difficult issues. I can relate, as there have been people like the ones you describe in my life, also since I was born (some of whom I will, like you, be with for Thanksgiving). I am not saying that you are dealing with the same problems, because there can be many causes for the behavior you describe, but I do recommend that you Google the words "Narcissitic Personality Disorder" and read everything you can find with the top returns. People with this personality disorder, which is complex and manifests in numerous ways, do these "crazy-making" things to get something from us. It is the fuel on which they live. The disorder is difficult, if not impossible to treat and is degenerative and progressive. They will only get worse.

You sound like you are on a wise path. I am not sure exactly how I found my way here (by way of Monica, I think?), but I will try to find my way back again. You have much wisdom to impart.


  

ComfortAddict wrote:

RG, I'm so sorry that I haven't been around and that this woman is making you suffer so. I wish you the strength you need around her. I have confidence that you will have it.

I've added The Artist's Way to my wish list (thanks).

By the way, I'll be happy to write the scary music for the lowering ceremony.


  

KathyHowe wrote:

Totally unrelated to this post:

HAPPY THANKSGIVING!!!!!!!! I have SOOOOOOOOO enjoyed getting to cyber-know you this year! I enjoy your writing - on your blog and mine!

HAPPY HOLIDAY!!


  

Kat wrote:

I'm glad you're getting the book - she has a 2nd one too - Vein of Gold - but they're awesome for blocked creativity.

My favorite "crazymaker" point? "Crazymakers thrive on energy - YOURS".

And someone wise once said - "Don't let someone live in your head rent free" :D

Happy Thanksgiving!


  

Bulimia Treatment wrote:

I am not saying that you are dealing with the same problems, because there can be many causes for the behavior you describe, but I do recommend that you Google the words "Narcissitic Personality Disorder" and read everything you can find with the top returns.


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In case you're wondering....
On this day clear back in 2008 I wrote: Hissy fits are not becoming, dude…
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